A reader (who I won't name here because I believe in preserving privacy, but feel free to reveal yourself in comments if you choose) alerted me to a gem of bleeding-heart stupidity on the topic of children. Said reader did so a month ago, so I'm a bit behind the curve, but it doesn't make the linked post any less stupid.
On something called "Feministe"(which sounds more like a feminine hygiene product than a blog or website, but whatever), someone named Roy decided to have an aortic aneurysm all over the portion of the Web devoted to posts by people who don't like children. I continue to be amazed at how many people still see children as some sort of little gods to be worshipped, rather than humans-in-the-raw who need to be taught and disciplined as well as loved.
Roy's aorta burst forth thusly:
Calling children “radically disempowered” is almost an understatement. Pretty much from the moment they’re born, children are subject to a world that treats them as much like property as like people. Children grow up in a world with no voice. There are countless rules and regulations controlling their daily lives, and they have absolutely no say in any of those rules. They are subject to the whims of the people around them- people who may or may not have their best interests in mind. Children have no privacy and no right to a fair trial when an adult (parent) accuses the child of wrong doing. Their entire lives are at the whims of people who control what clothes they wear, whether they have a roof over their heads, whether they even eat.Well, duh. They're children. They're not supposed to have power or a voice. That's what their parents are for. Yes, children do get abused and mistreated, and that's wrong, but that doesn't mean I have to love or like them or avoid criticizing them. I certainly don't have to see them as equals.
In the U.S., children certainly do have a voice. How many times have we heard about parents who have a hard time controlling their kids because the kids will claim they're being abused? I know families like this. Some of them actually think it's funny. They laugh it off, as if it isn't a terrible thing that they're reinforcing cruel, dishonest, manipulative behavior in their kids.
Roy gushes a bit more plasma and red blood cells on the topic:
Being a child isn’t easy. Very little in your life is under your own control, and you’re also subject to your body’s whims. Children are still growing and developing, and they don’t always even understand how or why they feel certain ways. They may not know why they’re tired or cranky at any particular moment. And, as someone else pointed out, even if they do know, they’re still subject to other people’s whims. An adult who isn’t feeling well can call in sick and avoid interacting with other people, in many cases. Children don’t have that option.
Again: DUH. Parents need to manage their own children, be attentive to their needs (and those needs include discipline, limits, and boundaries, as well as hugs and ego boosts), and basically just do the damn job of parenting.
You had the kids, parents: YOU love them. YOU care for them. YOU run interference for them. It is not my job, professionally or personally, to cater to you or your children in any way, shape, or form. I owe you nothing more than basic human and civil rights. I owe it to you to not shove you off the sidewalk if we pass each other while walking. I owe it to you to not go to the park where your kids are playing and yell at them to shut the fuck up while they're in the park doing what kids do.
I don't owe it to you to think it's cute or funny if your child screams and runs around on a plane or in a restaurant as it would in a park. (Yes, your child is an "it." I don't care whether it's a he or a she.) I don't owe it to you to coo at your kid and tell you what a cute son or daughter you have. I sure as fuck don't owe it to you to say only good things about your child or anyone else's children. Whether I say good things, bad things, or nothing at all is my choice.I don't hate children except when they behave badly, but I don't like them either, and I don't feel sorry for them or consider them "disempowered" because they're not allowed to run things any more than they already do. In the U.S. at least, children have far too much power already, although sometimes this is in the form of parents using their children, and their parent status, to manipulate others and get their own way.
It has been clear to me for years that Western society values the life of a child more highly than the life of an adult. I don't understand why more people aren't disturbed by this. We spend most of our lives as adults. That's the phase of life we should value most, not the dozen-some years we spend being justifiably secondary and powerless because we're children and have a lot to learn.
The best way to empower your child for life is to parent your child properly, not to complain because others don't see your child as their equal. Those people are telling parents like it is. The kids are barely out of diapers before they become little emperors with no clothes.



13 comments:
This sort of thing always annoys me. Children are NOT the equal of adults. They have neither the capacity or the experience to manage their lives or make responsible choices.
That's why children are not considered fully-fledged human beings, and are subject to the control and guidance of their parents.
The kind of thinking evidenced by this guy's diatribe completely ignores the incentive of gaining adult privileges. You want all the privileges? Jolly good. Take care of those responsibilites, and the privileges will come.
Children are not capable of handling those responsibilites--unfortunately, many so-called adults aren't capable of it either---no doubt leading to the kind of fool that writes this bilge.
I run into that attitude all the time at my job. You see, I work at a social service agency (not in the capacity of a social worker, thank goodness), and staff are expected to put with with egregious behavior from kids all the time. Kids live on the premises where I work, and it is no picnic.
The kids' disrespectful and inconsiderate behavior is always excused because of their mental and emotional issues. Are adults who assault, destroy/vandalize property, steal, etc., are exempt from being punished when they do these things? Hell, no.
I'm still trying to figure out how did society get to this point -- where kids are running households, and dictating things elsewhere? It is unacceptable.
I agree, and your site rocks by the way.
This burns my britches too. Children have no sense of logic or reason, why the fuckitty fuck would they have "a voice" or "empowerment".
They shouldn't feel empowered to do shit!!!!! They are DEPENDENTS. Can't function without someone else catering to them. That is the opposite of being "empowered".
Hey,
I am going to keep this short and to the point. This post rocks and thank you for sharing.
Appreciate you protecting my identity, CG, although I'm happy to declare that I'm the one who sent it to you.
That's one of my biggest peeves about modern-day feminism: the emphasis on the mooooos. Ostensibly it's because the burden of chyuld-rearing still mainly falls to women, not men. But it's also because — as Roy's diatribe makes clear — once you start seeing OMGZ OPRESHUN11 everywhere, it never stops. (And, of course, you can never criticize another Womban, or you're colluding with Teh Patriarchy!)
Some dim bint in the comments section actually wrote that "mothers win the Oppresion [sic] Olympics." Yeah, because the lynching of black folks, the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, the Holocaust, etc. are as nothing next to being asked to keep your saggy milkbags in your shirt and not let your spawn run around in a restaurant...
Actually, the comments in general are just an amazing sideshow of entitlement, despite the attempts of various CFers and even a few PNBs to talk sense into the HipMoos.
La MooMoo — oops, I mean, La Lubu — made me especially head-desky. She lows about how expecting rugrats not to act up is some oppressive form of Anglo-Saxon culture. (She's Sicilian, you see, so if you don't want to hear her kids scream in public, you're not Celebrating Diversity™.) Funny, but Sicilian and other cultures think it's perfectly OK to beat disobedient children...wonder what she'd say to that argument?
Quoth Reginleif: "Appreciate you protecting my identity, CG, although I'm happy to declare that I'm the one who sent it to you."
I'll happily confirm that and thank you publicly for sending me the link. Great find, and keep 'em coming. It's sad and annoying that attitudes like Roy's are becoming more prevalent and not less. Sometimes I think the childfree are likewise becoming more marginalized, not less.
Someone needs to sit Roy down and explain a few things:
"Empowering" children is a non sequitur. Empowerment is a state of promoting the self-actualization of an individual. You can promote the self-actualization of a child all you like, but one of the prerequisites for self-actualization is that a "self-actualized" person is one who has the authority to make all of their own decisions and, conversely, is held responsible for their actions.
Roy, take a look around and see how many children are held accountable by their parents for anything. And by accountable I do not mean, "you need a timeout". Then come back and we'll talk...
Amen. I don't have children nor do I intend to EVER have children. It completely boggles my mind how "parents" could allow their children to run free without any consequenses. If I EVER showed any of the behavior I see now-a-days .. not only would every priviledge I enjoy be taken away, I would be in my room when I wasnt in school and I would have a VERY difficult time sitting for 24 hours. I'm still wary of eating out due to the children that are allowed to run up and down the aisles as if it was their personal playground while the "parents" look on as if it's cute.
AMEN. That's all I can say. You have crystallized in one post the things that have been bothering me for years.
Children are NOT the center of the universe. It is unfortunate that parents convince them otherwise from the time that take those first miraculous steps - photographed at least a hundred times.
I have yelled at kids in public places. The parents are usually too shocked to respond. But hey: if THEY'RE not going to discipline their own kids, someone has to. I have rights as well: the right NOT to be tortured by loud, unchecked screaming.
The brat next-door to me once yelled to me that I was not her Mother - this, after I told her to stop her screaming (as though she was being murdered). I reponded that she ought to get down on her knees and thank God that I wasn't her Mother - becuase if I were, she would not be able to walk for a month. Great site, by the way
*applause*
I'm happily childfree too, so when I saw "Roy's" bit I had to rant about it as well, and get this -- the dude actually came over to my blog and tried to argue with me!
http://angrygrrlrants.blogspot.com/2007/06/childfree-and-hate.html
Reginleif - THANK YOU. I just got back from a feminist blog, and all these people were telling me how "empowering" and "humbling" it is to have children. The one poor CF individual got beat up, poor girl. But she did defend herself - and finally had to give up, because all the moms were relentless.
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